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The Mel Robbins Podcast
The Mel Robbins Podcast•October 16, 2025

Neurosurgeon’s Protocol to Feel Better Now: The Best Ways to Heal Your Body & Live Pain Free

Dr. Sanjay Gupta shares groundbreaking insights on chronic pain, revealing how the brain processes pain and offering hope for managing and potentially eliminating chronic pain through holistic approaches like movement, meditation, and addressing underlying psychological factors.
Mindfulness & Meditation
Biohacking
Mel Robbins
Rich Roll
Dr. Sanjay Gupta
Rebecca Gupta
CNN
University of Michigan

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Podcast Summary

In this groundbreaking episode, world-renowned neurosurgeon and CNN medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta reveals revolutionary insights about pain management and healing. Drawing from his new bestselling book "It Doesn't Have to Hurt," Dr. Gupta explains how chronic pain affects over 50 million Americans and shares the exciting science behind why some acute injuries become chronic while others heal completely. (05:05) The conversation explores how pain is fundamentally created in the brain, making it the most integrated sensation humans experience, influenced by sleep, stress, depression, and even social connections. (15:58) Dr. Gupta introduces game-changing research on natural healing methods, from virtual reality therapy to meditation protocols that can provide relief equivalent to prescription painkillers, while revealing how our bodies produce their own superior opioids when properly activated. (23:53)

• **Main themes:** Revolutionary pain science, brain-based healing approaches, holistic pain management beyond medication, and empowering individuals to take control of their pain through lifestyle interventions and understanding the mind-body connection.

Speakers

Dr. Sanjay Gupta

Dr. Sanjay Gupta is a board-certified neurosurgeon who completed his residency at the University of Michigan and serves as associate chief of neurosurgery at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta. He's also a Professor of Neurosurgery at Emory University School of Medicine and has been CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent for over twenty years. Dr. Gupta has authored five New York Times bestselling books and notably turned down an invitation to become US Surgeon General to continue practicing neurosurgery, demonstrating his commitment to patient care even while maintaining his media presence.

Mel Robbins

Mel Robbins is a bestselling author, podcaster, and motivational speaker who previously worked as a colleague with Dr. Gupta at CNN. She hosts the top-rated Mel Robbins Podcast and is known for her practical, research-backed approaches to personal development and life improvement.

Key Takeaways

Your Brain Controls All Pain Experience

Dr. Gupta emphasizes that all pain resides in the brain, not just in your head dismissively, but as a neuroscientific fact that opens up treatment possibilities. (30:00) Pain is the most integrated sensation we experience, influenced by sleep quality, stress levels, past trauma, and even social connections. The same injury can feel dramatically different based on your overall health state - better sleep and lower stress actually reduce pain intensity for identical injuries. This understanding shifts treatment from just addressing the injury site to optimizing your entire system for better pain processing.

Movement Heals Better Than Rest

The traditional RICE protocol (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation) may actually increase chronic pain risk. (44:04) Dr. Gupta introduces the MEAT protocol instead: Mobilization, Exercise, Analgesia (if needed), and Treatment. Research shows that people with the lowest inflammation levels at injury time were most likely to develop chronic pain, suggesting our bodies need that inflammatory healing response to work properly. Gentle movement and activity help healing molecules reach injury sites and prevent the pain memory loops that create chronic conditions.

Meditation Works as Well as Prescription Painkillers

Controlled studies using heating elements on participants' arms showed that specific meditation techniques can reduce pain scores from 7.4 to 2 and unpleasantness from 5 to 1.8. (26:51) This relief level equals approximately 5 milligrams of OxyContin, but meditation activates your body's natural opioid system, which not only reduces pain but also improves mood and helps you forget painful experiences - the opposite effect of pharmaceutical opioids that can enhance pain memory and decrease mood.

Address the "Baggage" Alongside Physical Symptoms

Chronic pain rarely occurs in isolation and always comes with "baggage" - factors like depression, anxiety, poor sleep, stress, and previous pain experiences that amplify current pain. (13:21) Dr. Gupta explains that good pain clinics have psychologists on staff because addressing these psychological and lifestyle factors is crucial for long-term pain relief. The relationship is bidirectional: pain creates more baggage, and baggage creates more pain, so both must be treated simultaneously for effective healing.

Keep a Pain Journal to Identify Patterns

Become the most reliable narrator of your pain experience by tracking when it's better or worse, what activities help or hurt, and how different life stressors correlate with pain levels. (48:57) Dr. Gupta suggests detailed journaling including drawing pain patterns, identifying hot spots, and using multiple descriptive words. This active partnership approach helps identify personal triggers and solutions, moving beyond generic treatments to personalized healing strategies that address your specific pain patterns and contributing factors.

Statistics & Facts

  1. Between one in five and one in four people in the United States deal with chronic pain, totaling over 50 million adults who experience pain every day for more than three months. (06:59)
  2. For 17 million people, chronic pain completely interferes with their ability to hold jobs, attend school, or maintain relationships, making it a daily negotiation that dominates their entire existence. (07:27)
  3. The United States, despite being less than 5% of the world's population, was consuming 90% of the world's pain medications, leading to 1.2 million spinal operations per year compared to only 50,000 in the UK (which has a quarter of our population). (16:35)

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