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Y Combinator Startup Podcast
Y Combinator Startup Podcast•October 28, 2025

From Idea to $650M Exit: Lessons in Building AI Startups

Jake Heller, co-founder of Casetext, shares insights on building successful AI startups by picking the right job categories, creating reliable AI assistants through careful prompting and evaluation, and effectively marketing and selling AI products that can replace or assist human professionals.
AI & Machine Learning
Tech Policy & Ethics
Developer Culture
B2B SaaS Business
Sam Altman
Satya Nadella
Jake Heller
Javed

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Podcast Summary

Jake Heller, CEO and co-founder of Casetext, shares how his team built CoCounsel—the first AI assistant for lawyers—that was acquired by Thomson Reuters for $650 million. (00:40) The session covers three fundamental areas: how to pick the right AI idea, how to build it properly, and how to successfully market and sell AI products. Heller emphasizes that picking an AI startup idea has become easier because you can focus on tasks people are already paying other people to do, whether that's customer support, paralegal work, or personal training.

  • Main themes include identifying job categories for AI replacement/assistance, building reliable AI through systematic evaluation processes, and overcoming the trust gap when selling AI solutions to enterprises

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Jake Heller

Jake Heller is the co-founder and CEO of Casetext, the AI legal startup behind CoCounsel, which was acquired by Thomson Reuters for $650 million. He grew up as a coder but took a detour into law, becoming a lawyer with experience at big law firms before founding Casetext in 2013. His company focused on applying AI to legal work long before it was called "AI," initially working with natural language processing and machine learning before pivoting to build the first AI assistant for lawyers using GPT-4.

Key Takeaways

Focus on Jobs People Already Pay For

The key to picking winning AI ideas is identifying tasks that people currently pay other humans to perform. (03:36) Heller explains that instead of guessing what people want, entrepreneurs should look at existing job categories like customer support, paralegals, personal trainers, or executive assistants. This approach works because these represent proven demand—people are already spending money to solve these problems. The total addressable market shifts from traditional SaaS pricing ($20/month per seat) to the combined salaries of professionals doing these jobs, which can be thousands of times larger.

Break Down Professional Workflows Into Specific Steps

Building reliable AI requires deep understanding of how professionals actually work. (10:42) Rather than creating generic solutions, successful AI applications map out the exact steps that the best professionals would take with unlimited time and resources. Heller's team discovered that legal research involves clarifying questions, making research plans, executing searches, reading results carefully, taking notes, and synthesizing findings into essays. Each step becomes either a specific prompt or deterministic code, creating workflows that mirror expert-level performance.

Obsess Over Evaluations to Achieve Production Quality

Most AI demos fail in production because builders don't invest enough time in systematic evaluation. (15:43) Heller emphasizes that moving from 60-70% accuracy (demo level) to 97% accuracy (production ready) requires willingness to spend weeks perfecting individual prompts. The process involves creating objective evaluations (true/false or numerical scales), building test sets that match real customer usage, and iterating relentlessly on prompts until they pass comprehensive evaluations. This grinding process separates successful AI products from flashy demos that don't work reliably.

Product Quality Trumps Sales and Marketing

Despite conventional VC wisdom emphasizing sales and marketing, Heller argues that product quality is the ultimate driver of success. (23:58) Casetext struggled for ten years with an "okay product" despite trying different marketing and sales leaders. Once they built CoCounsel—a genuinely amazing product—word-of-mouth referrals and media attention became free marketing, and salespeople became order takers rather than convincers. This insight challenges the common belief that great sales can overcome mediocre products, especially in the AI space where product capabilities are so differentiated.

Bridge the Trust Gap Through Head-to-Head Comparisons

Enterprises want to adopt AI but face a significant trust gap because they're used to managing human workers they can fire, train, and coach. (27:52) Smart AI companies build trust by offering side-by-side comparisons—keep your existing lawyer/accountant/consultant while also using our AI solution, then compare speed, quality, and results. This approach allows customers to maintain their existing relationships while proving AI value through direct comparison. Additionally, the sale doesn't end with payment—extensive onboarding, training, and customer success efforts are crucial for converting pilots into lasting revenue.

Statistics & Facts

  1. Over 85% of people who are low income don't get access to legal services because it takes too long and is too expensive working with human lawyers. (08:15) Heller shared this statistic to illustrate how AI can democratize access to professional services.
  2. Casetext had $20 million in revenue when they stopped everything to build CoCounsel based on GPT-4 access in summer 2022. (02:17) This demonstrates the scale at which they made their pivot decision.
  3. The company was eventually acquired by Thomson Reuters for $650 million in cash approximately two years after building CoCounsel. (02:39) This timeline shows the rapid value creation possible with AI products.

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