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This episode features Emma Harris, former Marketing and Sales Director at Eurostar and founder of Glow London, in a deeply personal conversation about burnout, success, and the life-altering cardiac arrest that changed everything. (22:30) Harris shares her decade-long journey at Eurostar, where she achieved ten consecutive years of record growth while navigating multiple crises including tunnel fires and train breakdowns. The conversation takes a profound turn when she discusses her cardiac arrest in New York in 2022, which sparked her mission to help professionals "slow the f*ck down" and prioritize wellbeing over relentless hustle culture.
Emma Harris spent a decade revolutionising Eurostar as its Marketing and Sales Director, leading the brand through years of success and navigating multiple crises including tunnel fires and train breakdowns. She achieved ten consecutive years of record growth during her tenure. Now the Founder and Chief of Glow London, she works with clients around the world to build brands that are deeply connected to their people and culture, with a particular focus on helping organizations and individuals "slow the f*ck down" for better performance and wellbeing.
Harris emphasizes that her sales background gave her an obsession with customer needs rather than just marketing tactics. (05:23) She explains that sales isn't about convincing people to buy things they don't need, but about finding customer problems and solving them. This approach means always starting with the problem first as a marketer, ensuring everything you do "gets buns on seats" rather than just doing activities for the sake of it. This customer-first mentality was crucial to achieving ten years of record growth at Eurostar.
The most powerful insight from Harris's Eurostar experience was the seamless integration between sales and marketing teams. (04:21) She worked closely with her "work husband" in marketing, functioning as one unified team rather than separate departments. They developed a system where maverick ideas would be strategically presented through the sales leader to gain board approval. This eliminated the typical tension between commercial and marketing teams, leading to faster decision-making and unified direction.
When dealing with major crises like trains stuck in tunnels, Harris learned critical lessons about crisis communication. (09:39) The instinct is to keep apologizing and over-explaining, but customers actually want you to stop talking about the problem and return to being trustworthy. Her behavioral psychologist advisor told them to "stop talking about it" once they'd apologized and focus on getting back to reliable service. This approach helped them achieve record growth even during crisis years.
Harris discovered that most companies meticulously map customer experience but completely neglect people experience. (14:56) She advocates for applying the same energy to employee experience from employer branding through recruitment to the "yes to desk" period and beyond. Every touchpoint should be loaded with brand messages and promises, ensuring employees know how to show up and deliver the brand from day one. This alignment makes decisions faster and gets everyone "on the bus."
The core message from Harris's cardiac arrest experience is that 95% of behavior is unconscious and 85% of our 65,000 daily thoughts are negative. (26:23) Our unconscious minds don't distinguish between imaginary fears and reality, leading to constant stress and poor decision-making. "Slow the f*ck down" isn't about doing less - it's about taking a breath before responding to recognize the choices you're making and ensure they're right for you. This creates clarity, better decisions, and ultimately better performance.