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Dr. Marc Brackett, Yale's emotional intelligence expert, reveals the crucial skill that determines success across all areas of life: emotional regulation. In this powerful conversation with Lewis Howes, Brackett shares his personal journey from childhood trauma to becoming a leader in the field, explaining why 90% of people never receive emotional education despite its critical importance. (04:30) The episode explores the devastating impact of unregulated emotions on relationships, careers, and health, while introducing the RULER method—a five-step framework to master emotional intelligence that's now taught in 5,000 schools worldwide.
Dr. Marc Brackett is a Professor of Psychology at Yale University and the founding Director of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence. He has dedicated over 25 years to researching emotions and their impact on learning, decision-making, relationships, and health. His emotional intelligence curriculum is implemented in over 5,000 schools worldwide, and he's a fifth-degree black belt in Hapkido martial arts, which contributed to his own emotional healing journey.
Lewis Howes is the host of The School of Greatness podcast and a New York Times bestselling author. He openly shares his own twelve-year journey of learning emotional regulation after experiencing success but inner turmoil, making him a relatable voice for high achievers struggling with emotional mastery.
The five-step RULER framework provides a systematic approach to emotional mastery. (44:42) The steps are: Recognize emotions in yourself and others, Understand their causes and consequences, Label them with precise words, Express them appropriately, and Regulate them effectively. This isn't just theory—it always culminates in regulation, the ability to manage emotions without being controlled by them. The key insight is that regulation doesn't mean eliminating feelings; it means acknowledging them while maintaining your power to choose your response.
There's a crucial difference between giving someone permission to feel and emotional indulgence. (42:54) True emotional intelligence involves validating feelings while teaching problem-solving skills, not allowing endless venting. When a child is upset, acknowledge the emotion, help them understand it, but then redirect toward solutions. As Brackett explains, research shows that excessive venting can actually increase rumination and make emotions worse.
The most successful leaders master both self-regulation and co-regulation—the ability to help others manage their emotions. (10:50) Brackett's pandemic research revealed that leaders skilled in both areas had employees who were healthier, happier, and even slept better at night. This skill involves showing up with empathy, asking good questions, and creating conditions where people feel emotionally supported without trying to fix everything.
Most people have been emotionally gaslighted in childhood, told they're "too much" of something or not enough of another. (67:59) Breaking these cycles requires becoming an "emotion scientist" of your own life—consciously examining whether your emotional patterns serve you. The process involves monitoring your self-talk, learning to self-regulate before co-regulating with others, and helping others label and process their feelings constructively.
Emotional regulation is impossible without proper sleep, nutrition, and physical activity. (72:47) Brackett emphasizes that many parents set goals to be more patient but fail because they're operating on three hours of sleep or poor nutrition. The biology of regulation requires taking care of your body first—you cannot access higher-level emotional skills when your basic physiological needs aren't met.