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This powerful episode features Dr. Karl Pillemer, Cornell University's leading researcher on aging and family relationships, sharing profound life lessons from his Legacy Project—a decades-long study of thousands of people in their 80s, 90s, and 100s. (01:00) The conversation reveals the biggest regrets and most valuable wisdom from those who've reached the end of life's journey, offering a unique perspective on what truly matters while we still have time to act on it.
Dr. Karl Pillemer is the Hazel E. Reed Professor of Human Development at Cornell University and Professor of Gerontology in Medicine at Weill Cornell Medicine. He founded the Cornell Legacy Project, a massive decade-long study capturing life lessons from elderly Americans, and is the bestselling author of "30 Lessons for Living" and "30 Lessons for Loving." His research has been published in over 150 peer-reviewed studies and cited more than 26,000 times, making him one of the world's leading experts on aging and family relationships.
Mel Robbins is a bestselling author, motivational speaker, and podcast host known for her practical approach to personal development. She's the creator of the Five Second Rule and author of "The Let Them Theory," helping millions of people make positive changes in their lives through science-backed strategies and relatable advice.
The most fundamental lesson from thousands of elderly Americans is learning to distinguish between what you can control versus what you cannot. (12:12) This isn't just philosophical advice—it's practical wisdom from people who've lived long enough to see the futility of wasting energy on uncontrollable outcomes. Dr. Pillemer explains that successful aging involves "optimization with compensation"—optimizing what you have left while compensating for what you've lost. Rather than ruminating about losses or circumstances beyond your influence, focus your energy on controllable actions: choosing meaningful relationships, making daily decisions to be present, and planning for challenges rather than simply worrying about them.
One of the most surprising and universal regrets among the elderly was: "I wish I hadn't worried so much." (16:02) People described specific periods—three months worrying about layoffs, years worrying about fertility issues—and consistently said "I wish I had that time back." The practical application is transformative: when you catch yourself in mindless worry, either take concrete action through planning or consciously let it go. As Dr. Pillemer suggests, imagine an auditorium full of elderly people yelling at you to "stop worrying about it" because they know from experience that most worries either don't materialize or, when they do, you survive anyway.
Out of 1,200 people surveyed for the Legacy Project, not a single person said they wished they'd spent more time accumulating possessions or making money. (22:02) Instead, their deepest regrets centered on relationships—not investing enough time with loved ones, failing to be present during the "middle-age blur" of career building and child-rearing. The elderly consistently emphasize that what children really want is your time, not material gifts. This wisdom translates into immediate action: schedule regular one-on-one time with family members, choose experiences over purchases, and resist the cultural pressure to define success primarily through material accumulation.
The phrase "it might have been" haunts many elderly people who failed to express love, ask for forgiveness, or share important feelings before it was too late. (62:09) Multiple interviewees described carrying emotional burdens like "wearing a heavy backpack" until they finally made the call or had the conversation they'd been avoiding. The relief was immediate and profound. This isn't just about major reconciliations—it includes telling your children you're proud of them, expressing gratitude to mentors, or simply being more vocal about your love and appreciation for people in your life while they're still here to receive it.
Perhaps the most counterintuitive finding is that older people are generally happier than younger people, despite facing chronic illness, loss, and physical limitations. (71:52) They've learned what Dr. Pillemer calls being "happy in spite of" rather than "happy if only." This represents a fundamental shift from conditional happiness (I'll be happy when I lose weight, find love, get promoted) to unconditional contentment based on conscious daily choices. Practical steps include waking up with intention to make the day good, focusing on what's working rather than what's broken, and practicing gratitude for small, mundane pleasures that are actually the foundation of a meaningful life.