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In this transformative episode, James Clear, the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Atomic Habits, breaks down his proven framework for building good habits and breaking bad ones. (00:55) Clear reveals that the problem isn't lack of willpower—it's having the wrong systems for change. He explains how getting just 1% better each day leads to being 37.78 times better by year's end, emphasizing that small changes compound into extraordinary results. (03:07) The conversation covers his personal journey from a devastating baseball injury to becoming one of the world's leading experts on behavior change, while providing practical, actionable strategies anyone can implement immediately.
James Clear is the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Atomic Habits, which has sold over 25 million copies worldwide and appeared on the bestseller list for 164 consecutive weeks. He is widely regarded as one of the world's leading experts on habit formation and behavior change, helping millions of people improve their lives through his research-backed frameworks and systems.
Mel Robbins is a bestselling author, podcast host, and motivational speaker known for her practical approach to personal development. She hosts The Mel Robbins Podcast and is the author of several bestselling books including The Let Them Theory.
Clear explains that instead of asking "What do I want to achieve?" you should ask "Who do I want to become?" (47:18) Every action you take is like casting a vote for the type of person you wish to become. When you do one push-up, you're voting for being someone who doesn't miss workouts. This approach creates lasting change because it reinforces your identity rather than just chasing external results. The key is letting your behavior lead the way—small actions provide evidence of who you are, building genuine belief in your new identity.
Scale any habit down to something that takes two minutes or less to establish the routine. (47:34) "Read 30 books a year" becomes "read one page." "Meditate for 20 minutes" becomes "meditate for one minute." Clear emphasizes that "a habit must be established before it can be improved"—you need to standardize before you optimize. The heaviest weight at the gym is the front door, meaning the hardest part is getting started. Once you're moving, momentum makes it easier to continue.
The secret to self-control isn't having more discipline—it's being in situations where you're tempted less frequently. (64:13) People who exhibit high self-control aren't more disciplined; they're just tempted less often. Make good habits obvious by placing visual cues in your environment, and make bad habits invisible by removing temptations. Small environmental changes can dramatically reduce the friction between you and your desired behaviors.
The key to long-term success isn't perfection; it's resilience. (85:27) Clear's mantra is "never miss twice"—if you miss one day, pour all your energy into getting back on track the next day. Top performers aren't perfect, but they bounce back quickly from setbacks. At the end of the year, individual mistakes are just blips on the radar if you consistently return to your habits after breaking them.
Goals are about results you want to achieve; systems are the processes that lead to those results. (51:42) If there's a gap between your goal and your system, your daily habits will always win. Your current habits are perfectly designed to deliver your current results. Winners and losers often have the same goals—the difference is their systems. Focus on building better daily processes rather than just setting targets, because goals are good for people who want to win once, but systems are for people who want to win repeatedly.