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In this special New Year's episode, Gary Vaynerchuk sits down with comic book creators Jim Rugg and DJ Kaufman to discuss the ambitious future of the VeeFriends comics universe heading into 2026. The conversation reveals Gary's deep storytelling roots, from creating imaginative games as a child to building what he envisions as his "Pokemon" or "Star Wars" - a comprehensive intellectual property with meaningful character development. (00:51) The discussion explores the creative process behind VeeFriends comics, the myth of the "starving artist," and Gary's belief that commercial success protects rather than ruins creativity. (49:30)
Entrepreneur, content creator, and founder of VeeFriends, Gary has built multiple successful businesses and is now focused on creating a comprehensive intellectual property universe. He personally drew and invented all 250+ VeeFriends characters, drawing from his childhood love of storytelling and imagination that began with creating elaborate adventure games and bedtime stories for his younger brother.
An accomplished comic book creator best known for his successful comic "Street Angel," which he co-wrote with a collaborator at his day job. Jim has experience teaching comics classes internationally and brings traditional comic industry expertise to the VeeFriends creative team.
A creative professional who transitioned from eleven years in marketing back to his passion for comics. DJ recognized early that marketing is essentially storytelling, and now serves as both writer and artist for VeeFriends comics, including the upcoming Rare Robot issue that takes place in the future.
Gary challenges the "starving artist" myth by arguing that artists who avoid commercial success actually enable less soulful products to dominate the market. (27:04) He believes that when true artists refuse to engage with business and capitalism, they create a void that allows people with commercial capabilities but less artistic soul to sell inferior products. The solution is for genuine artists to embrace both creativity and commerce, thus taking up market space with higher quality, more meaningful work. This approach doesn't corrupt art - it protects it by ensuring authentic creators have the resources and platform to continue their work.
Throughout the creative sessions, Gary demonstrates how humility enables better collaboration and creativity. (19:35) He actively seeks reactions from his collaborators, doesn't hold his ideas as sacred, and is willing to scrap hours of work if something better emerges. This approach allows for real-time feedback and iteration that leads to stronger creative outcomes. In business and creative work, ego can be the enemy of excellence - humility opens the door to learning, adapting, and building something greater than what any individual could create alone.
Gary predicts that the current four-year-olds will become ten-year-olds who want to buy and read physical comic books as a counter-reaction to digital saturation. (33:25) He sees early signs of Gen Alpha seeking non-smartphone experiences and believes we're approaching an apex of digital consumption that will swing back toward physical, tactile experiences. This represents a massive opportunity for the comic industry to become more contemporary and welcoming to new readers, particularly if they can onboard newcomers rather than gatekeeping them out.
The comic industry's biggest challenge is being unwelcoming to newcomers who make mistakes about characters or storylines. (35:59) Gary advocates for helping new fans get started rather than shaming them for not knowing every detail. He compares this to his own experience selling wine - when customers wanted expensive bottles, he'd recommend better cheaper options, building trust through service rather than exploitation. Industries grow when they make entry points accessible and encourage exploration rather than demanding expertise upfront.
Gary's approach to building VeeFriends differs from typical NFT projects because he personally drew and invented every character, creating authentic provenance. (45:57) Rather than hiring external designers or using algorithmic generation, he invested years thinking about character relationships and storylines. This personal investment creates deeper meaning and longer-term value. When building any creative project or business, the depth of personal connection and authentic creation often determines long-term success more than technical perfection or market trends.