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In this fascinating conversation, Brett McKay sits down with Joel Miller, former publishing executive and author of "The Idea Machine: How Books Built Our World and Shape Our Future," to explore how books aren't just containers for content—they're revolutionary technologies that have fundamentally shaped human thought, culture, and society. Miller argues that to truly appreciate books, we must understand them as both software (content) and hardware (physical format), tracing their evolution from Augustine reading under a fig tree (04:04), to medieval monks introducing word spacing and punctuation, to the printing press's explosion of information that increased book production by 1800% (36:40).
Brett McKay is the founder and editor-in-chief of The Art of Manliness website and podcast. He has built one of the most respected platforms for men's personal development, focusing on practical wisdom, character development, and timeless principles for living a meaningful life.
Joel Miller is a former publishing executive, editor, book reviewer, and author of "The Idea Machine: How Books Built Our World and Shape Our Future." He brings extensive experience from the publishing industry and maintains Miller's Book Review, where he posts literary essays and book reviews exploring the intersection of literature and culture.
Miller illustrates this with Augustine's story of reading Paul's letters under a fig tree, where Augustine "put his finger or some other marker in the place" to hold what he found (05:14). This simple act of marking demonstrates how the physical format of books enables us to return to specific passages, compare ideas across multiple texts, and engage critically with content in ways that scrolls or linear formats cannot. Unlike scrolls, which function like unrewound VHS tapes (07:11), books provide random access to information, making them superior tools for analysis and synthesis.
Drawing from Roman examples like Virgil's work process, Miller explains that "writing leads to editing and editing is evidence of thinking" (18:55). Virgil would dictate all morning and edit all afternoon, using writing as "a prop to his own thinking" and "a support to his own thinking." This process reveals how the physical act of writing serves as an extension of our cognitive abilities—we literally think on the page, using writing tools as "an externalized part of our own brain" (21:27).
Medieval monks' innovations of adding spaces between words and punctuation marks enabled silent reading, which was revolutionary because it allowed private, individual interpretation of texts (33:34). Previously, reading aloud was the norm due to scripta continua (continuous script without spaces), but silent reading "enabled people to read more easily on their own" and "really, frankly, changes the landscape of the world" because "suddenly, you can have your own opinions about what you're reading" (36:14). This shift enabled personal interpretations that could challenge established authority and received wisdom.
The numbers are staggering: European scribes produced about 11 million books over nine centuries (6th-15th centuries), but printers produced 212 million individual units in just 148 years (1452-1600) (37:53)—an 1800% increase. This explosion of books made private Bible reading possible, which "the reformation could not have happened without the printing press" because Martin Luther could "swamp all of Europe in text presenting his particular view" (39:24). The printing press democratized knowledge and enabled widespread social and religious transformation.
Miller explains that when reading fiction, "we impose our own cognitive faculties on this character. We loan our own emotions to the character. We loan our goal setting ability to the character" (48:06). This process shapes our emotional intelligence because "that emotive connection is also powerful all by itself because it is formative" (48:44). Research supports that fiction reading increases theory of mind—the cognitive ability to understand others' thoughts and feelings—making it essential for social interaction and empathy development.