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This episode explores groundbreaking research by Financial Times writer John Burn-Murdoch, revealing that Americans' personalities have undergone dramatic changes in just the last decade. (04:34) According to longitudinal tests tracking the same population over time, young Americans have become meaningfully less extroverted, less agreeable, and more neurotic, with the most alarming finding being that conscientiousness appears to be in "freefall." (06:46) The discussion draws parallels to historical periods of technological disruption, particularly the early 1900s when rapid industrialization led to widespread "nervous exhaustion" across the Western world. The conversation examines how smartphones and ubiquitous internet access may be fundamentally rewiring our personalities through what Burn-Murdoch calls the "two D's" - distraction and displacement.
Host of Plain English podcast and staff writer at The Atlantic. Thompson is known for his expertise in economics, technology, and cultural trends, having written extensively about work, productivity, and social change in modern America.
Data visualization journalist and writer for the Financial Times, specializing in using statistical analysis to uncover significant social and economic trends. Burn-Murdoch has gained recognition for his work on topics ranging from demographic changes to technological impacts on society, combining rigorous data analysis with accessible storytelling.
Research shows that childhood conscientiousness—being industrious, orderly, and having good self-control—is a stronger predictor of adult well-being than childhood happiness itself. (12:09) Burn-Murdoch's analysis confirmed that conscientiousness remains positively correlated with income, and this relationship has actually strengthened over time. Children who demonstrate discipline, follow through on plans, and persevere are more likely to become happy, successful adults regardless of their childhood emotional state. This finding challenges the common assumption that prioritizing children's immediate happiness is the key to their future success.
Burn-Murdoch proposes that smartphones and ubiquitous internet impact personality through two mechanisms: distraction and displacement. (16:26) Distraction pulls us away from intended goals and activities, directly opposing conscientiousness. Displacement occurs when digital activities crowd out behaviors that would normally strengthen our "conscientiousness muscles" or social skills. Just as physical muscles atrophy without use, our capacity for focused work and deep social connection weakens when constantly competing with digital stimulation. This framework explains both declining cognitive performance and personality changes observed across industrialized nations.
AI and large language models may amplify existing personality differences rather than equalizing outcomes. (30:56) High-conscientiousness individuals might use AI as a "Socratic dialogue" tool or personal tutor to enhance learning and push intellectual boundaries. Meanwhile, low-conscientiousness people could use the same technology to outsource thinking entirely, such as having AI write essays for unread books. This creates a "conscientiousness multiplier" that could dramatically widen inequality between those who use technology to enhance their capabilities versus those who use it to avoid developing them.
English-speaking countries show unique patterns of declining youth life satisfaction that may be linked to housing affordability rather than just technology use. (33:36) Burn-Murdoch argues that the gap between expectations and achievement particularly damages mental health. In countries where homeownership represents "making it in life," generations who work hard but still cannot afford homes experience both shattered faith in meritocracy and constant insecurity. This creates a material basis for anxiety and depression beyond digital technology effects, explaining why the Anglosphere shows more severe youth mental health declines than other developed regions.
The rise of individual-focused wellness practices coincides with declining social connection in potentially problematic ways. (26:54) While exercise rates are rising, team sport participation is declining, with people choosing running or gym workouts over social athletic activities. Similarly, much of modern wellness emphasizes self-care and individual mental health over community engagement. This "individualization of everything" means even healthy behaviors become antisocial, contributing to the broader trend of chosen aloneness and declining extroversion among young Americans.