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In this powerful conversation with Yale's Dr. Marc Brackett, we explore the hidden world of emotional intelligence and why most adults can name only three emotions they regularly feel. (00:00) Dr. Brackett reveals that emotional intelligence isn't about suppressing feelings - it's about using them strategically to achieve your goals and create meaningful relationships. (03:07) The discussion covers his groundbreaking RULER method for emotional intelligence, the dangers of emotional suppression, and practical strategies for developing emotional fluency. (24:03) We also dive into the cultural barriers preventing emotional education and how developing emotional regulation skills could be the new definition of success.
• Main themes: Emotional intelligence as a functional skill set, the critical importance of emotional vocabulary, and practical frameworks for emotional regulation in high-performance contexts.Dr. Marc Brackett is a professor at Yale University and the founding director of the Yale Center for Emotional Intelligence. He is the author of "Permission to Feel" and "Dealing with Feeling," and has developed the RULER method for emotional intelligence that is implemented in over 5,000 schools across the United States. His research focuses on the role of emotions and emotional intelligence in learning, decision making, creativity, relationships, and mental health.
Dr. Brackett emphasizes that "you have to name it to tame it" - you must label emotions precisely before you can regulate them effectively. (02:25) Many people, especially men, default to expressing all emotions through socially acceptable channels like aggression, missing the nuanced differences between anger (perceived injustice) and disappointment (unmet expectations). Without precise emotional vocabulary, you can't access the right strategies for regulation. For example, anxiety requires different approaches than stress or pressure, even though people often bundle these feelings together. (30:48) Building emotional vocabulary isn't academic - it's practical intelligence that enables you to communicate your needs, seek appropriate support, and choose effective coping strategies rather than defaulting to one-size-fits-all responses.
Suppression might feel easier in the short term, but it creates what Dr. Brackett describes as "a debt that keeps getting bigger." (23:36) Suppressed emotions don't disappear - they manifest as physical health problems, anxiety disorders, relationship issues, and destructive coping mechanisms like excessive drinking or avoidance. The cultural narrative that views emotional suppression as strength is fundamentally flawed because biologically, we're born to feel. (24:01) True strength lies in developing the skills to process and regulate emotions effectively. Dr. Brackett's research shows that when people don't express emotions healthily, they come out "somewhere" - usually in ways that damage relationships and personal well-being.
Research across 25,000 people worldwide reveals the three universal characteristics of people we desperately want to be around: nonjudgmental, good listeners, and empathetic/compassionate. (44:54) Interestingly, intelligence never appears in this list. Dr. Brackett emphasizes that we don't have to "worry alone" - humans are social creatures designed to process emotions with support. (44:17) However, only about one-third of people report having such a person in their childhood, and shockingly, only 2% say it was their father. Building these "emotional allies" isn't just nice to have - it's essential for regulation because some emotions, particularly shame and jealousy, are extremely difficult to process alone and require external perspective to resolve effectively.
Dr. Brackett argues that emotional regulation should become part of your identity, similar to how someone might identify as "a person who lifts weights." (53:55) He discovered this principle when transitioning from a sedentary academic to someone who couldn't imagine skipping workouts. The same transformation is possible with emotional skills - moving from "I'm an anxious person" (which creates self-fulfilling prophecies) to "I'm someone who skillfully manages emotions." (55:56) This identity shift moves you from being at the mercy of your emotions to being someone who uses emotions strategically. It's about seeing yourself as "the Yoda of emotional intelligence" - someone who can't be easily triggered or thrown off course because emotional mastery is core to who you are.
Dr. Brackett's regulation formula is Goals + Strategies, organized around PRIME: Prevent unwanted emotions through preparation, Reduce emotions in the moment, Initiate emotions strategically for specific outcomes, Maintain positive emotional states, and Enhance emotions when beneficial. (07:01) This isn't just reactive - it's proactive emotional leadership. For example, before important meetings, consider what emotional climate would best serve your goals and take steps to create it. (08:15) The key insight is that different emotions require different strategies, and your approach must account for your personality, the specific context, and the emotion itself. This systematic approach transforms emotions from random experiences into strategic tools for achieving your objectives.