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In this episode, Elena Verna, head of growth at Lovable, shares insights from building one of the fastest-growing companies in history. (05:19) Lovable hit $200 million ARR in under a year with just 100 employees, making it potentially the fastest ramp to that revenue milestone ever achieved. Elena reveals how the traditional growth playbook has been completely rewritten for AI companies, with 60-70% of conventional tactics no longer applying. (15:01) The conversation covers Lovable's unique growth strategies, the challenges of maintaining product-market fit in rapidly evolving AI markets, and what it takes to succeed in this new era of software development.
• Main themes: Revolutionary AI growth strategies, the obsolescence of traditional growth tactics, building minimal lovable products, and navigating the product-market fit treadmill in fast-moving AI categoriesElena is the head of growth at Lovable, the leading AI-powered app builder that reached $200 million in annual recurring revenue in under a year with just 100 employees. She has previously led growth at successful companies including Miro, Dropbox, SurveyMonkey, Netlify, and Amplitude, making this her record fourth appearance on Lenny's podcast.
Lenny is the host of Lenny's Podcast and author of Lenny's Newsletter, one of the most popular publications for product and growth professionals. He previously worked at Airbnb and has become a leading voice in the product management and growth community.
Elena reveals that in AI companies, spending 95% of time innovating on growth versus only 5% on optimization is the new reality. (20:21) Traditional growth approaches focused heavily on optimizing existing user journeys and reducing conversion funnel drop-offs. However, in the fast-moving AI space, these micro-optimizations provide minimal returns. Instead, growth teams must constantly build new features and stand up new growth loops to capture rapidly evolving market opportunities. At Lovable, the growth team launched core product features like Shopify integration and voice mode - initiatives that would never traditionally come from growth teams.
Unlike traditional companies where growth teams spend majority of their time on activation, AI companies embed activation optimization within core product development. (23:36) Since AI products center around agent interactions where users simply prompt the system, the core team building the AI agent naturally obsesses over that first generation experience. This means growth teams can focus on higher-level initiatives while the product team ensures every interaction improves activation, whether it's the first or nth generation.
Lovable's "secret sauce" involves treating free product distribution as marketing cost rather than margin erosion. (51:52) They give unlimited credits to any user wanting to host hackathons, sponsor events with free access, and view their LLM costs as customer acquisition expenses. This removes barriers to entry in a new category where people need to experience the magic before understanding the value. Rather than competing for expensive ad space, they're empowering users to become advocates who do marketing and activation for them.
AI companies face an unprecedented "product-market fit treadmill" where both technology capabilities and consumer expectations shift every three months. (60:17) Elena explains that traditional companies could spend years scaling their initial product-market fit, but AI companies must constantly reinvent their value proposition as LLM capabilities evolve and user expectations rapidly advance. This means even $200 million companies can't solely focus on scaling - they must maintain teams capable of both finding and scaling product-market fit simultaneously.
The standard has shifted from minimum viable product to "minimum lovable product" in the AI era. (43:33) With software development costs dramatically reduced through AI tools, companies can now invest in emotional experiences and brand personality rather than just utility. Lovable embeds their brand promise directly into every product interaction, asking "how can we add more love marks?" and ensuring nothing ships unless it feels lovable. This focus on humanity in software becomes a competitive differentiator when functionality alone is no longer sufficient.