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In this deep dive episode, Matt Russell and Ramesh Narayanaswamy explore GE Aerospace as a pure-play aerospace business following its transformation from the conglomerate era. (01:53) The conversation reveals how GE has achieved dominant market positions in jet engine manufacturing, powering three out of four commercial takeoffs daily with their 45,000 commercial engines and 25,000 military engines. (05:24) The discussion examines the unique dynamics of aerospace supply chains, the extraordinary technical barriers to entry in jet engine manufacturing, and how GE exemplifies the powerful "razor and blade" business model of selling equipment at minimal profits while generating substantial returns through decades of aftermarket services.
Host of Business Breakdowns, a podcast series exploring individual businesses through conversations with investors and operators. Russell focuses on uncovering the lessons and competitive advantages that make businesses successful.
Co-founder and portfolio manager of Tubian Partners, an investment firm. Narayanaswamy specializes in identifying businesses with unique scarcity or scale benefits and has developed expertise in aerospace industry dynamics and long-cycle industrial businesses.
Jet engine manufacturing represents one of humanity's most technically challenging endeavors, comparable to semiconductor fabrication and rocket manufacturing. (23:20) Within the hot section of engines, temperatures exceed the melting point of alloys, and even microscopic defects can cause catastrophic failures requiring worldwide fleet recalls. This extraordinary complexity means only three to four companies globally can manufacture commercial jet engines at scale. The barriers are so high that even China's state-owned Comac, despite massive manufacturing capabilities, chose GE engines for their aircraft rather than develop their own initially. For professionals, this demonstrates how technical excellence combined with regulatory requirements can create virtually impenetrable competitive advantages that sustain for decades.
GE Aerospace operates with a $175 billion backlog representing 4.5 years of total revenue, but when focusing on their profitable services segment, this extends to seven years of visibility. (12:32) The aftermarket services business generates 60% gross margins compared to breakeven or losses on original equipment sales. Airlines are mandated by regulation to bring engines in for overhauls every 6-7 years, and using non-OEM parts voids warranties. This creates an "inflation-protected bond-like" cash flow stream that professionals can learn from - sometimes predictable, defensive revenue streams are more valuable than high-growth but volatile businesses. The lesson: focus on building recurring revenue streams with high switching costs rather than chasing growth at any cost.
GE's 70% market share in narrow-body engines comes from sole-source positions with Boeing (737 family) and majority share with Airbus (A320 family). (06:57) This positioning allows them to negotiate from strength with fragmented airline customers while accepting discounts from powerful airframers like Boeing and Airbus. The bifurcation of buyers (airframers) versus users (airlines) creates a complex three-dimensional puzzle for new entrants. Professionals should seek opportunities where they can build relationships with both decision-makers and end-users, understanding that dominance with fragmented customers often provides better pricing power than dealing with consolidated buyers.
GE sells LEAP engines at 70-80% discounts from list prices (often at losses) but generates 40%+ operating margins on aftermarket services over the engine's 25-year life. (31:19) The total aftermarket revenue can be 3-5 times the original equipment sale value. This works because engine maintenance is mission-critical, non-discretionary, and heavily regulated. The model is most powerful when the "blade" (services) are essential for safety and performance. For professionals, this illustrates how giving away or subsidizing core products can be extremely profitable when you control high-margin, recurring services that customers cannot substitute or defer.
Larry Culp's transformation of GE applied "common sense vigorously applied" and Danaher-style lean manufacturing principles. (19:09) He focused on walking the production floor, addressing the "don't shoot the messenger" culture, and prioritizing customer focus over financial engineering. The results included 500 basis points of margin improvement and successful deconglomeration into focused pure-play businesses. This demonstrates that even in highly technical industries, fundamental operational disciplines—continuous improvement, problem-solving culture, and customer obsession—can unlock significant value. Professionals should remember that operational excellence often matters more than strategy in complex, established industries.