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Dr. Guy Winch explores the hidden ways work stress infiltrates and damages our relationships in this eye-opening conversation. He reveals research showing that chronic work stress can cause partners to develop burnout symptoms and lose their sex drive, even if they don't work themselves. The episode delves into the psychology of rumination, explaining why our workday doesn't end when we close our laptop but when we stop thinking about work. (19:12) Dr. Winch challenges the myth that relaxation alone can cure burnout, introducing the concept that mental exhaustion requires both relaxation and active recharging activities.
Dr. Guy Winch is an internationally renowned psychologist and best-selling author whose TED Talks have been viewed over 35 million times. His science-based books have been translated into more than 30 languages, establishing him as a leading voice in emotional health and psychological first aid. He specializes in helping individuals overcome the psychological challenges of modern work life and its impact on relationships.
Lewis Howes is the host of The School of Greatness podcast and New York Times bestselling author of "Make Money Easy." He conducts in-depth interviews with leading experts to help ambitious professionals achieve mastery in their personal and professional lives.
Dr. Winch emphasizes that your workday doesn't end when you leave the office or close your laptop—it ends when you stop thinking about work. (19:12) He recommends creating a repetitive ritual that engages all five senses: changing clothes (even if from work t-shirt to home t-shirt), playing specific music, adjusting lighting, and using scents. This trains your brain to shift from work mode to personal time, helping you psychologically detach from the stress of the day.
One of the most counterintuitive insights is that relaxation is only 50% of recovery from mental exhaustion. (22:56) Dr. Winch explains that our brains confuse physical and mental fatigue. When you're mentally drained from screen time, more passive screen time won't recharge you—it will leave you tired the next morning. Instead, engage in activities that energize you: creative pursuits, physical exercise, or social interaction, even when you don't feel like it.
Rumination keeps you stuck in fight-or-flight mode and floods your system with cortisol. (27:21) Dr. Winch provides a three-step process: recognize that rumination is fueled by emotion, shrink that emotion, and convert the situation into a solvable problem. Instead of replaying "My boss was so unfair," ask "Do I need to address this? How can I address it effectively? What can I learn from this situation?"
Stop telling yourself "my job is very stressful" because this reinforces a constant state of alert and makes you perceive neutral situations as threatening. (33:35) Dr. Winch uses firefighters as an example—despite running into burning buildings, they describe their job as having stressful moments rather than being consistently stressful. This simple reframe can dramatically reduce your cortisol levels and improve your mental state.
The fastest way people lose self-respect is by maintaining an internal voice that bullies them throughout the day. (60:09) Dr. Winch explains that calling yourself names like "loser" or "stupid" is as damaging as having someone follow you around saying those things all day. You must develop an intolerance for this voice, treating it like cancer that needs to be removed rather than an authentic part of yourself.