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NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast
NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast•August 7, 2025

Here’s What Tariffs Could Cost You (Plus: Downgrade or Ditch Your Premium Card?)

Understand how new tariffs may hit your wallet and whether premium credit card fees are still worth it. What do new U.S. tariffs mean for prices on everyday goods and cars? What should you consider when choosing a premium travel credit card? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola discuss the latest economic indicators and the changing landscape of credit card perks to help you understand how today’s macroeconomics and personal finance decisions intersect. Joined by news Nerds Anna Helhoski and Rick VanderKnyff, the team unpacks key insights from recent federal data drops. They begin with a discussion of the latest tariffs and economic reports, with tips and tricks on understanding how import duties impact consumer prices, why inflation could be on the rise again, and how job growth revisions may affect consumer sentiment.  Then, credit card Nerd Melissa Lambarena joins Sean and Elizabeth to discuss whether high-fee premium cards still deliver value. They cover how reward structures are changing, when it makes sense to downgrade instead of cancel, and how opening or closing a card affects your credit score. Take the Smart Money Podcast Listener Survey 2025 and enter to win a prize! https://nerdwallet.com/podsurvey  Card benefits, terms and fees can change. For the most up-to-date information about cards mentioned in this episode, read our reviews: Chase Sapphire Reserve Makes Big Changes: Higher Fee, New Rates, More Perks https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/credit-cards/chase-sapphire-reserve-overhaul-june-2025  Chase Sapphire Preferred Review: Strong Option for Travel Rewards https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/chase-sapphire-preferred  Chase Freedom Unlimited Review: A Potential One-Card Solution https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/chase-freedom-unlimited  American Express Platinum Review: Top-Notch Lounge Access, Big Credits https://www.nerdwallet.com/reviews/credit-cards/american-express-platinum  5 Things to Know About the Bank of America Premium Rewards Elite Credit Card https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/credit-cards/5-things-to-know-about-the-bank-of-america-premium-rewards-elite-credit-card  Want us to review your budget? Fill out this form — completely anonymously if you want — and we might feature your budget in a future segment! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScK53yAufsc4v5UpghhVfxtk2MoyooHzlSIRBnRxUPl3hKBig/viewform?usp=header In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: tariffs 2025, credit card downgrade effects, new credit card impact on credit score, consumer inflation trends 2025, unemployment report July 2025, core PCE inflation rate, job growth revisions BLS, credit card rewards explained, travel credit card comparison, high annual fee credit cards, credit card utilization ratio, closing credit card and credit score, 2025 economic outlook, de minimis exemption 2025, trade war impact on consumers, credit card strategy during inflation, interest rates and consumer debt, credit card perks vs cost, credit card churn risks, emergency fund importance 2025, how tariffs raise consumer prices, July 2025 consumer sentiment, credit card reward program changes, and economic uncertainty and spending. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email podcast@nerdwallet.com. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Sean Piles
Elizabeth Aiola
Melissa Lamberina
Bureau of Labor Statistics
NerdWallet
Federal Reserve
Panel Discussion
News Recap

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Podcast Summary

In this episode of NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast, hosts Sean Piles and Elizabeth Aiola tackle the whirlwind of economic uncertainty facing consumers today—from escalating trade wars and rising tariffs to volatile job markets and climbing inflation rates. Economics nerds Anna Hilhosky and Rick Vanderkneif break down a "monster week" of economic data, including Trump's aggressive tariff policies (now reaching 50% on certain countries), disappointing July job numbers, and concerning inflation trends that have the Federal Reserve under intense pressure. The team also dives deep into credit card strategy with expert Melissa Lamberina, specifically addressing whether premium cards like the Chase Sapphire Reserve—with its newly increased $795 annual fee—are still worth the investment for savvy consumers navigating these turbulent financial waters.

Speakers

Sean Piles (Host)

Host of NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast, bringing financial expertise to over a million listeners. Sean is currently planning his honeymoon to Japan and regularly navigates the complexities of credit card rewards programs for his audience.

Elizabeth Aiola (Host)

Co-host of NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast with extensive personal finance expertise. Elizabeth brings practical financial wisdom to listeners while managing her own family budget and travel planning, including recent trips to London.

Anna Hilhosky

Senior news colleague at NerdWallet specializing in economic data analysis and financial market trends. Anna focuses on breaking down complex economic statistics and policy changes into digestible insights for consumers.

Rick Vanderkneif

Fellow news analyst at NerdWallet covering macroeconomic trends and policy impacts. Rick specializes in translating federal economic data, trade policy, and Federal Reserve decisions into practical guidance for personal finance decisions.

Melissa Lamberina

Credit card expert and analyst at NerdWallet with deep expertise in rewards programs, annual fees, and credit optimization strategies. Melissa helps consumers navigate the complex world of premium credit cards and maximize their financial benefits.

Key Takeaways

Navigating Credit Card Rewards

Understand the value and limitations of credit card rewards. Assess whether the perks and points align with your spending habits to avoid overspending or incurring interest. Action: Review your credit card statements and evaluate if the rewards justify any annual fees.

Optimize Economic Data for Decision-Making

Stay informed by interpreting economic data such as tariffs, employment rates, and consumer sentiment to guide your financial decisions. Action: Schedule a monthly review of key economic indicators to adjust your financial strategies accordingly.

Minimize Impact of Credit Decisions

Before closing or changing a credit line, understand its impact on your credit score, specifically regarding credit utilization and the age of your credit. Action: Use credit score simulators to predict changes and plan for major purchases accordingly.

Simplify Financial Benefits Management

Track all available perks and credits for high-annual-fee credit cards to ensure you maximize benefits. Action: Create a checklist for all card perks with expiration dates and relevant conditions to ensure utilization without overspending.

Strategic Travel Planning

Re-evaluate travel-related credit card perks and consider alternative cards that align better with your travel patterns (e.g., not booking through specific portals). Action: Compare credit card offerings annually to align perks with current travel plans and spending habits.

Compelling Stories

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Strategies & Frameworks

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Statistics & Facts

  1. Unemployment ticked up to 4.2%, but job growth was far below expectations with only 73,000 jobs added in July (July Jobs Report).
  2. The July jobs report revisions led to a combined drop of 258,000 jobs for May and June, causing significant concern (Bureau of Labor Statistics).
  3. Credit card debt hit $1.21 trillion, matching the previous year’s all-time high, indicating potential financial strain for households (New York Fed report).

Additional Context

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Key Takeaways Table

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Critical Analysis

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Books & Articles Mentioned

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