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Marketing Against The Grain
Marketing Against The Grain•November 18, 2025

AI Just Broke Marketing (And What You Need to Do Now)

Marketing experts explore how AI is fundamentally disrupting marketing, shifting from volume to value, and discuss strategies for adapting to AI-driven changes in search, content creation, personalization, and sales prospecting.
Creator Economy
Digital Nomad Life
AI & Machine Learning
B2B SaaS Business
Ethan Smith
Stephen Hawking
Kipp Bodnar
Kieran Flanagan

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Podcast Summary

This live episode from GROW Europe explores how AI has fundamentally disrupted marketing, shifting the industry from the "era of volume" to the "era of value." (02:22) The hosts reveal that 74% of new web pages now contain AI-generated content, fundamentally changing how the internet looks and functions. (04:09) They share their journey from denial to embracing AI-powered marketing strategies, demonstrating how businesses can increase visibility in AI assistants by 800% and referral traffic by 1,400%. (19:24) The episode covers the seismic shift in search behavior, where 80-90% of searches now result in no clicks when AI mode is enabled, forcing marketers to rethink their approach to content and customer acquisition.

  • Main theme: How AI is transforming marketing from volume-based strategies to value-driven approaches, with practical insights on search optimization, personalized prospecting, and multimodal experiences.

Speakers

Kipp Bodnar

Kipp Bodnar is the Chief Marketing Officer at HubSpot and co-host of Marketing Against The Grain podcast. He has extensive experience in marketing strategy and has been instrumental in HubSpot's AI marketing initiatives, leading their transformation from traditional inbound marketing to AI-powered customer acquisition strategies.

Kieran Flanagan

Kieran Flanagan is the VP of Marketing at HubSpot and co-host of Marketing Against The Grain podcast, known on Twitter as @searchbrat. He transitioned from software engineering to marketing, specializing in SEO and search marketing. Flanagan has been at the forefront of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) and has led HubSpot's strategy to increase visibility in AI assistants by over 800%.

Key Takeaways

Shift from Brand-Led to Individual-Led Marketing

With 74% of new web pages containing AI-generated content, consumers are increasingly turning to trusted individuals rather than brands for authentic information. (04:09) This represents a fundamental shift where B2B companies must leverage individual creators and thought leaders as core parts of their content and distribution strategies. HubSpot has seen this trend materialize, generating more demand from human-led channels (individuals creating content on YouTube, newsletters, podcasts) than from traditional brand-led channels. The key insight is that as AI-generated content proliferates, people gravitate toward content from individuals they trust, making personal branding and creator partnerships essential for B2B success.

Answer Engine Optimization is the New SEO

Traditional Google search is rapidly being replaced by AI-powered search experiences, with 80-90% of searches in AI mode resulting in no clicks to websites. (13:11) Companies must now optimize for AI assistants rather than traditional search engines. HubSpot increased their share of voice in AI assistants by 800% and referral traffic by 1,400% through strategic AEO implementation. (19:24) The strategy involves creating niche content that answers the many ways customers might conversationally ask about products, building FAQ pages, and securing citations from sites that have licensing agreements with specific AI platforms. This shift requires moving from optimizing for 3-5 keywords to creating content for 100+ conversational variations.

Data Quality Determines AI Marketing Success

The effectiveness of AI-powered marketing campaigns directly correlates with data quality and specificity. (30:17) Companies seeing 35% increases in meeting bookings and 500% improvements in email conversion rates are those investing heavily in better data collection and integration. (32:03) The key is moving from generic demographic data to granular, behavioral data that enables micro-audience targeting. This includes integrating unique internal data sources that competitors cannot access, creating differentiated AI outputs. The lesson is that AI amplifies good data and makes bad data even worse, so investing in data infrastructure and quality becomes a competitive advantage.

Embrace Granular, Scaled Personalization

AI enables marketers to move from segment-level marketing to individual-level personalization at scale. (27:04) Email marketing has been revolutionized, with companies achieving engagement rates similar to human-sent messages while maintaining the scale of traditional email marketing. (28:28) The critical mindset shift is moving from copywriter to prompt engineer - marketers must learn to break messaging into modular components (subject line prompts, intro prompts, body copy prompts) and optimize the prompts rather than individual emails. This requires letting go of the need to approve every individual message and instead focusing on perfecting the AI systems that create them.

Multimodal Agents Are the Future of Customer Experience

The next evolution of customer interaction involves AI avatars that combine visual, audio, and text communication to provide real-time product demonstrations and qualification. (35:35) HubSpot's experiments with multimodal agents show average engagement times of 5-9 minutes for unqualified traffic, with some sessions lasting up to two hours. (36:43) These agents can handle discovery and qualification traditionally done by sales reps, turning every sales call into a closing opportunity. The strategic implication is that websites now serve two purposes: providing niche content for AI agents to consume and offering deep, interactive experiences for qualified prospects rather than broad research experiences.

Statistics & Facts

  1. 74% of new web pages online today contain some form of AI-generated content, fundamentally changing the nature of internet content creation. (04:09) This statistic was highlighted by research from Graphite showing we've reached a tipping point where AI creates more content than humans.
  2. 80-90% of searches in Google's AI mode result in no clicks to external websites, compared to the previous 60% no-click rate with traditional search features. (13:11) This represents a massive disruption to how businesses acquire traffic and customers online.
  3. ChatGPT is forecast to overtake organic search by 2028, with over 75% of all organic search being consumed by AI-first engines when combined with Google's AI mode. (15:30) Additionally, 89% of B2B buyers have already cited using AI search for buying decisions and research.

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