How AI is reshaping the product role | Oji and Ezinne Udezue
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Podcast Summary
In this dynamic episode, married product leaders Aji and Ezine Odeswe share their combined 50+ years of experience navigating the evolving PM landscape in the AI era. They explore how successful companies are rethinking product development from the ground up (00:40), while PMs must embrace controlled chaos through their "shipyard" team model and develop new skills like evals and multi-model AI optimization (13:13). Beyond tactical advice, they emphasize that the most critical shifts require deep customer understanding, intentional career planning, and the courage to build opinionated, simple solutions that solve genuinely sharp problems (10:59).
Speakers
Aji and Ezinne Udeswe
Married duo with 50+ years combined product experience and co-authors of "Building Rocket Ships". Aji was Chief Product Officer at Calendly and Typeform, led product teams at Twitter, Atlassian, and Microsoft. Ezinne was CPO at WP Engine and VP of product at Procore.
Lenny Rachitsky (Host)
Creator of Lenny's Newsletter and the Lenny's Podcast, serving the product management community with insights on building successful products. Former Airbnb Senior Product Manager and author of product strategy resources.
Key Takeaways
Get Hands-On With Technology Now
Don't just read about AI—build with it. Pick a passion project that touches multiple learning areas, like automating your house or creating personalized solutions. Aji wrote more code in the last year than the previous ten years combined, transforming PRDs into prototypes and mastering API interfaces. (29:00)
Embrace the Shipyard Model
Form six-capability teams (PM, engineering, design, research, data/ML, product marketing) operating in controlled chaos. Unlike traditional stand-ups, these pods collaborate continuously on new problems, with tendrils connecting to customer-facing teams like support managers who prevent feature failures before they ship. (14:03)
Build AI at the Core, Not the Edge
Companies succeeding with AI fundamentally reimagine workflows using LLMs as core capabilities, often shrinking their codebase rather than just sprinkling AI on existing interfaces. Focus on specialized solutions first, then create connective intelligence layers—avoid trying to build one massive LLM that does everything. (39:58)
Master Sharp Problems Over Pivoting
Target old needs with new technological solutions—problems so compelling that 3-10x improvement makes customers say "take my money now." Bill Gates and Facebook didn't pivot constantly; they identified sharp problems from the start. (10:59) Pick problems that are frequent enough to create meaningful pain points.
Develop Humble Curiosity
Senior PMs must sign up for "junior" AI courses and learn from people they might have considered beneath them. (25:18) In this day-one AI era, humility equals teachability, and teachability equals career survivability. Master evals, constraint techniques, and multi-model orchestration—don't just do prompt engineering.
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