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Dwarkesh Podcast•October 31, 2025

Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

Sarah Paine explains how Russia repeatedly sabotaged China's rise from the mid-19th to mid-20th century through strategic territorial grabs, manipulative diplomacy, and geopolitical maneuvering that consistently kept China weak and divided.
Political Philosophy
International Affairs
Conflict Zones & War Reporting
Vladimir Putin
Xi Jinping
Sarah Paine
Joseph Stalin
Mao Zedong

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Podcast Summary

Military historian Sarah Paine delivers a masterful analysis of how Russia systematically derailed China's rise for over a century through strategic manipulation and territorial exploitation. (05:09) From the mid-19th century through Stalin's era, Russia repeatedly scripted China into detrimental decisions that served Russian interests while weakening Chinese power. Paine examines ten key examples of this pattern, from the Opium Wars treaties that ceded massive territory to Russia, to Stalin's manipulation during the Chinese Civil War and Korean conflict. (22:58) The lecture traces the eventual power reversal as China figured out Russia's game under Mao, leading to the Sino-Soviet split and China's subsequent rise under Deng Xiaoping's reforms.

  • Core theme: Russia's century-long strategy of weakening China through territorial acquisition, strategic manipulation, and exploiting China's internal conflicts to prevent the emergence of a great power neighbor

Speakers

Sarah Paine

Sarah Paine is a distinguished military historian whose expertise centers on Russo-Chinese relations. Her doctoral dissertation examined the history of the Russo-Chinese border from the Opium Wars in the mid-19th century through the 1920s when Outer Mongolia was transferred from the Chinese to Russian sphere of influence. As a scholar specializing in the strategic dynamics between continental empires, Paine brings deep archival research and historical perspective to understanding one of the 20th century's most consequential geopolitical relationships.

Key Takeaways

Continental Empires Follow Predictable Rules for Survival

Paine outlines the fundamental principles that guide continental empires like Russia and China: avoid two-front wars, prevent great power neighbors from emerging, and systematically destabilize rising powers while setting up buffer zones. (02:19) This explains Russia's consistent pattern of undermining China's development - not out of personal animosity, but as a strategic imperative. Understanding these rules helps decode seemingly irrational geopolitical moves and provides a framework for analyzing current conflicts in Ukraine and tensions with China. The key insight is that continental powers are structurally incentivized to surround themselves with failing states rather than prosperous neighbors.

Strategic Communication as a Cheap but Effective Weapon

Russia mastered the art of propaganda to turn potential allies against each other while obscuring its own predatory behavior. (08:19) The Karakhan Manifesto of 1919 exemplifies this technique - promising to return "stolen" territories to China while actually maintaining Russian control for decades longer than Western powers held their concessions. This propaganda success created the myth of Sino-Soviet friendship that persisted despite Russia taking more Chinese territory than any other imperial power. Modern applications include Russia's narrative about NATO expansion "forcing" its hand in Ukraine, demonstrating how effective strategic communication can shape global perceptions even when contradicted by historical evidence.

Timing Political Transitions During Crisis Periods

Russia consistently exploited China's moments of weakness - rebellions, wars, and political transitions - to extract maximum concessions. During the Taiping and Nian rebellions while Britain and France pressured China militarily, Russia offered "help" in exchange for the Treaties of Aigun (1858) and Peking (1860), acquiring territory larger than all US states east of the Mississippi. (05:09) The pattern repeated during the Chinese Civil War, World War II, and the Korean War. The lesson for modern strategists is that crisis periods create opportunities for both exploitation and transformation - the key is recognizing whether you're the exploiter or the exploited and adjusting strategy accordingly.

Economic Reforms Require Political Stability

China's rise began only after Mao secured political control and figured out Russia's manipulation, then accelerated dramatically under Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms. (28:42) Deng abandoned communist economic management principles while maintaining political control, generating twenty years of double-digit growth with significant compounding effects. The Chinese Communist Party learned from Gorbachev's failure that attempting simultaneous political and economic reform leads to system collapse. This insight applies to any organization or nation attempting transformation - sequence matters, and trying to change everything at once often results in losing everything.

Resource Complementarity Creates Both Opportunity and Vulnerability

The current Russia-China relationship mirrors historical patterns but with reversed power dynamics. China now has nine times Russia's population and GDP, while Russia possesses the natural resources China desperately needs, particularly water from Lake Baikal (over 20% of world's surface freshwater) for China's depleted northern regions. (60:26) Putin's Ukraine adventure is depleting Russian resources while leaving Siberia exposed to Chinese ambitions, potentially creating a "Chinese yoke" scenario that mirrors Russia's historical nightmare of Mongol domination. The strategic lesson is that complementary resources can create mutually beneficial partnerships or exploitative relationships depending on the relative power balance and negotiating positions.

Statistics & Facts

  1. Russia acquired territory from China larger than all US territory east of the Mississippi River through the Treaties of Aigun (1858) and Peking (1860), plus the detachment of Outer Mongolia from Chinese influence. (19:11)
  2. During World War II's final weeks, Russia removed 83% of Manchuria's electrical power equipment, 86% of mining equipment, 82% of cement making capacity, and 80% of metalworking equipment, plus 640,000 Japanese POWs for slave labor. (16:55)
  3. China currently has nine times Russia's population and nine times its GDP, with per capita GDPs converging, while Lake Baikal contains over 20% of the world's surface freshwater that China desperately needs. (60:26)

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